"My citroen won't start" (lucasboechat)
06/21/2016 at 14:40 • Filed to: None
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"My citroen won't start" (lucasboechat)
06/21/2016 at 14:40 • Filed to: None | 2
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Landau roofs and dealer pinstripes. Where did they come from? Why are they a thing? Who wants these things?
spanfucker retire bitch
> My citroen won't start
06/21/2016 at 14:45 |
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Landau tops are for old people. I don’t know who buys pinstriping. Stupid people I guess? The only cars I ever see pinstriping on are always 20+ years old and driven around by trailer trash.
MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner
> My citroen won't start
06/21/2016 at 14:45 |
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That pin stripe above is terrible but I love the stripes on my car.
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My citroen won't start
> spanfucker retire bitch
06/21/2016 at 14:47 |
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Every single time I drool over used car prices in America there are at least 5 cars with dealer pin striping, be they Volvo S80's or Golf wagons.
not for canada - australian in disguise
> My citroen won't start
06/21/2016 at 14:47 |
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I have yet to see a single modern car with a landau top in my area. And thank god for that.
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My citroen won't start
> MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner
06/21/2016 at 14:48 |
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It is a purely american phenomenon though, I’ve never seen dealer pin striping on any other country.
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My citroen won't start
> not for canada - australian in disguise
06/21/2016 at 14:48 |
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I think 89% of them are in Florida.
Dru
> MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner
06/21/2016 at 14:52 |
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Landau: some asshole; because old people; also old people.
Pinstripe: I don’t know; because someone somewhere thought it looked good; it’s not a matter of wanting it, its a matter of the dealer automatically doing it so often.
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spanfucker retire bitch
> not for canada - australian in disguise
06/21/2016 at 14:52 |
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You lucky bastard. I once saw one of those gorgeous new CTSes with a fucking landau top. A FUCKING LANDAU TOP; I WAS SO FUCKING MAD.
RallyWrench
> My citroen won't start
06/21/2016 at 14:53 |
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You know about the 70's, right?
Textured Soy Protein
> My citroen won't start
06/21/2016 at 14:54 |
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Dealer pinstripes exist because dealers can put them on cars when they arrive, and charge an extra $500 or whatever for shit that people don’t want, with the excuse of “but they’re on the car already.”
Landau roofs exist because Americans once they reach age 75 have a strange affliction that causes them to want to have their full-size sedans look like convertibles except not really.
The second worst thing about them is when they are applied to vehicles from brands that traditionally receive landau roofs (i.e. are bought by old people) but have modern styling that doesn’t work at all with a landau roof.
The worst thing about them is when they are applied to vehicles that make absolutely no sense to have them on.
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My citroen won't start
> RallyWrench
06/21/2016 at 14:54 |
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Yes, but why are these things still somewhat popular?
CRider
> My citroen won't start
06/21/2016 at 14:55 |
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Landauts are essentially false convertibles. It’s a term and style that’s been around longer than the automobile.
S65
> My citroen won't start
06/21/2016 at 14:57 |
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Old people like landau tops
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MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner
> My citroen won't start
06/21/2016 at 14:57 |
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I’ve liked it on every vehicle I’ve owned. I always buy used so I don’t really get to nit pick on what the car has or doesn’t have. But I haven’t complained.
You can even see in this terribly grainy photo my first and 2nd vehicle both had pin striping.
I guess people just like that the side of the car gets broken up a bit with some detail.
Oh and on the 68:
I suppose the only vehicle we’ve owned that doesn’t have em is the jeeps. We had an 05 Liberty, no pin stripe (since sold it) and our 08 Commander doesn’t have any.
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My citroen won't start
> CRider
06/21/2016 at 14:57 |
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I know that bit, landaus were a style of carriages, but why are they still popular?
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MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner
> Dru
06/21/2016 at 14:57 |
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Yeah, I never buy new so i have no right to argue the details, but at the same time (as you can see in my other reply to My citroen won’t start I don’t mind them and they’ve been on all 4 vehicles that have been mine.
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My citroen won't start
> S65
06/21/2016 at 14:58 |
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Does it remind them of their youth?
TheTurbochargedSquirrel
> My citroen won't start
06/21/2016 at 14:59 |
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Old folks.
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My citroen won't start
> TheTurbochargedSquirrel
06/21/2016 at 15:00 |
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They can’t be that old.
“Ah yes, this new Cadillac horseless Carriage needs one of those novelty landau roofs"
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RallyWrench
> My citroen won't start
06/21/2016 at 15:00 |
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Because people from the 70's aren’t dead yet and are set in their ways.
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My citroen won't start
> RallyWrench
06/21/2016 at 15:00 |
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That’s a good explanation.
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S65
> My citroen won't start
06/21/2016 at 15:10 |
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Maybe?
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Dru
> MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner
06/21/2016 at 15:11 |
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Ah. I believe I meant to reply to my citroen won't start. But nonetheless, it is what is. I saw something odd with a landau the other day and I cannot for the life of me remember what it was.
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MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner
> Dru
06/21/2016 at 15:38 |
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The odd thing is someone still did a landau, those I am 100% not on board with.
RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht
> My citroen won't start
06/21/2016 at 15:44 |
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Landau tops: something that became popular in the ‘60s and lived through most of the ‘80s without (mostly) dying out. Believe it or not, they weren’t completely pointless on a ‘60s car - thin sheet metal and wind roar can be muffled by one, and in some cases the skin can show resistance to wear and fading. You could get a vinyl top on a Mustang, for example.
It’s mostly a look, now, but like the original it’s hinting at a convertible top (which doesn’t exist), separating the lines of the main part of the car body (making it look sleek - maybe), and hinting at a premium interior with material like the top. Mostly silly, excessive, and not well thought out, which is why they achieved their highest popularity in the ‘70s. They were *almost* pointless, but were popular enough as a premium option on some of those cars they stuck around.
As to pinstripes: they started to become popular as a personalizing touch on customs and other cars probably around the late ‘40s, and dealer pinstripe options were a cash-in on that which long outlasted the original industry of pinstripe artists. In the case of a lot of ‘70s cars, pinstripes became a factory part of many appearance packages, so even nowadays when pinstriping isn’t normal anymore, anyone who’s used to ‘70s styles in car decoration may find the add-on pinstripes appealing.
Long story short, both have roots in car customization and premium option sets, as interpreted through the lens of the worst styling of the ‘70s. People who liked ‘70s cars when new, when they were young, are trying to apply those tastes to modern cars.
Ed, for the old good times
> My citroen won't start
06/21/2016 at 15:53 |
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Have you been in Chicago?
Logansteno: Bought a VW?
> My citroen won't start
06/21/2016 at 16:09 |
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Ugh Landau roofs make me want to run cars off the road.
I can’t bitch about pinstripes though, as the Silverado, S10, and Safari have them and I don't hate them honesty. And they’re holding up better than the paint on the Safari...
Bman76 (no it doesn't need a WS6 hood) M. Arch
> My citroen won't start
06/21/2016 at 16:09 |
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Postmodernism, blame the 70's.
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CRider
> My citroen won't start
06/21/2016 at 16:19 |
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They are not popular and haven’t been in decades. There are some oddballs out there with them on newer cars, but they are rare.
Brian, The Life of
> My citroen won't start
06/21/2016 at 16:38 |
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Landau tops are a stylistic throwback to the Landaulet, which was a configuration coach builders offered that allowed the “driven” to enjoy some open roof goodness in nice weather while still keeping Jeeves up front in his staid box of underclass conformity (I just made most of that up). Landaus are different than full vinyl tops, as they only cover the rear section of the roof and have those stylistic “S’s” that evoke the hinges of the old Landaulets. Full vinyl roofs were common back in the ‘60s and ‘70s because, 1) that was the style at the time and, 2) because manufacturers could cover the sometimes wavy roofs of cars that didn’t turn out well in the manufacturing process and still charge the same (if not more) for a flawed product. Basically, all Landau tops are vinyl, but not all vinyl tops are Landaus ;)
Nauraushaun
> My citroen won't start
06/21/2016 at 17:39 |
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Weren’t these real convertibles?
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Nauraushaun
> CRider
06/21/2016 at 17:40 |
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But
why
? A roof that has all the maintainability and durability issues of vinyl yet can’t actually be removed sounds like a nightmare.
El Rocko
> My citroen won't start
06/21/2016 at 18:09 |
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As a former salesman and manager I will say that pin striping is a classic add-on at most dealerships. Charge $200, spend $20 - easy profit. If the customer demands that you remove it then you only lost $20.
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CRider
> Nauraushaun
06/21/2016 at 18:14 |
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Because if you’re far away, it almost kinda looks like you have a convertible. It’s all about looking expensive, and then later on vinyl roofs were only available on expensive cars which furthered the appeal.
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Nauraushaun
> CRider
06/21/2016 at 19:11 |
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But that’s nuts! Convertibles are expensive yes, but historically everyone has hated them! You pay more for a car that handles worse, with a roof that only keeps out some of the rain and is easy to break into and will eventually stop working.
Their only redeeming feature is how much fun you can have with the roof off. Who is PRETENDING they live that life when they don’t?
I get what you’re saying. But I also really just don’t get it at all.
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CRider
> Nauraushaun
06/21/2016 at 19:21 |
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Historically, cars that had full frames weren’t relying on the roof to provide structural integrity. Convertibles were and are more desirable than sedans and they are always more expensive. Note that some expensive cars are reverting back to that structural chassis idea, using carbon fiber tubs to provide chassis rigidity so that there is no weight or handling penalty with a convertible.
facw
> My citroen won't start
06/21/2016 at 20:35 |
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Old people like Landau tops. Presumably they are associated with luxury by people who don’t realize that 1970s Cadillacs were terrible cars.
Dealers like the stripes. They are high margin items that are easy to sneak onto the bill of customer worn down by the process. The fact that dealers in Europe are less predatory probably explains why the aren’t a thing there.
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Nauraushaun
> CRider
06/21/2016 at 20:37 |
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Oh that makes sense. The whole body on frame thing, where the body was easy to remove and not structurally integral. I never thought of that. In that world I can see how convertibles would be considered premium.
But golly, there’s
so
much history and tradition that has lead to the position landaus occupy now - being senseless crap.
I love those carbon fiber tubs. The idea of a convertible with no downsides is very appealing to me. Like how they made the 918 a targa just because they can.
ranwhenparked
> My citroen won't start
06/21/2016 at 22:33 |
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The landau tops date from the 1970s (there were a few before that, but that’s when it got popular) and are supposed to emulate the look of coach built cars from the 1920s and ‘30s that sometimes had bodies made of fabric stretched tight over a wood frame. For one reason or another, there was a kind of 1930s “decade nostalgia” that went on in the ‘70s. They’ve remained popular because elderly people still regard them as making a car look luxurious and classy.
Pinstripes got popular in the ‘40s and ‘50s, and were originally a way to add a bit of a personal touch to the car and accent different body lines and curves. They have remained popular because of both old people that still like them and because of clueless dealers that still believe they are a profitable “extra” they can overcharge for.
LOREM IPSUM
> My citroen won't start
06/21/2016 at 22:40 |
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My folks had a 98 Sedan Deville Coup de Elegance, champagne in color. Had the dealer install a beige/toupe fabric top on it and honestly it looked great.
Monocle and tophat level of class added.
That said, I think that may be the last body style able to pull it off.
knewman
> My citroen won't start
06/21/2016 at 23:19 |
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You have both asked and answered your own question.
Evil's Wheels
> My citroen won't start
06/22/2016 at 00:11 |
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The pinstriping is a holdover from the past. In the distant reaches of the early 20th century, coincidentally the last time the kelley blue book value checklist was updated, pinstriping was a thing you did to accent all the special details of your car, like exposed hinges, and lights in metal housings on stalks sticking out of fenders braced with running boards. Anyway, it’s still there because kbb dgaf, and as long as it’s on a value checklist nearly every car dealer in kbb’s USA distribution will hastily put cheap ass contrasting tape on every car on the lot and charge $50 because kbb says so. No other reason. Here’s what they use.
Whatevs
> My citroen won't start
06/22/2016 at 14:24 |
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Point.
djgreenlava
> Brian, The Life of
06/22/2016 at 22:33 |
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I don’t think there is a Mercedes limo from the last century I wouldn’t mind being carted around in.